More Audio Released on 'Dr. Phil' Allegedly of Jared Fogle Discussing Sex with an '11- or 12-Year-Old'

In secret recordings, a man alleged to be Jared Fogle talks about traveling abroad for sex with kids

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In additional audio clips aired during Friday’s episode of “Dr. Phil,” a man purported to be disgraced sandwich shop spokesman Jared Fogle recalls his first sexual encounter with an “11- or 12-year-old” girl, calling the experience “wonderful before admitting he couldn’t even remember his alleged victim’s name.

Fogle agreed last month to plead guilty to charges of having sex with minors and child pornography. He is to be sentenced next month and faces between five and 12-and-a-half years in prison.

“It felt so good,” the speaker – allegedly Fogle – tells Rochelle Herman-Walrond in the covertly captured recordings. Dr. Phil McGraw’s producers acquired the audio from Herman-Walrond, a self-described journalist and former radio host from Florida who met Fogle during a media tour.

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Herman-Walrond was interviewed for Friday’s program – the second in a two-part series on the alleged Fogle tapes. She told McGraw she stealthily taped her talks with Fogle while working as an FBI informant – a claim the agency has not confirmed.

The FBI has acknowledged reviewing the tapes ahead of their raid of Fogle’s Indiana home in early July.

In one clip played Friday, the speaker describes relishing recent promotional visits to several middle schools, noting it is at that age that girls start to develop, “which I love,” the speaker says.

The speaker later discusses his desire to install video cameras in middle school locker rooms so he can watch children change “without them knowing.” At one point, the speaker says that luring sixth- and seventh-graders into sexual situations is not difficult, because “they’re very much into exploring.”

Speaker in Tapes Says Children ‘Definitely Enjoyed It’

The speaker, which Herman-Walrond maintains is Fogle, later explains how victimizing children is easier after “getting them on your side.” The speaker says this can be achieved by “being friendly to them, and you just sort of go from there.”

The speaker also describes performing sexual acts on underage boys, and admits visiting “different countries” to fulfill his desires – nations “where it’s more accepted” to victimize minors.

The speaker recalls visiting Thailand for the first time, and tells Herman-Walrond the children he was with there “definitely enjoyed it.”

When asked about specific tactics he has employed on his previous victims, the speaker says that each case should be handled differently. He claims there’s “no right way or wrong way” to approach children for sex and urges coaxing kids into sex by getting “touchy feely” with them.

Herman-Walrond told McGraw that Fogle allegedly wanted her to let him watch her underage daughter and son undress, and suggested a video camera be installed in one of their rooms.

“I became very frightened that I involved my own children into this, indirectly, and now, he wants my children, and it brought everything to the realization that it’s so personal to me, now,” Herman-Walrond told McGraw.

She adds, “I did this for the sake of all children.”

Also on Friday’s show, Hermand-Walrond reasserted earlier claims she’d notified Subway about the alleged Fogle recordings in 2011.

The chain issued a statement saying the complaint came via Subway’s website, and that “there was nothing that implied anything about sexual behavior or criminal activity involving Mr. Fogle.” But it added, “We regret that this comment was not properly escalated and acted upon.”

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